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'For them, the world of the spirit and the world available to our senses were not alien, but polarities of one integral whole. It doesn’t get any more Christian than that. What was different with them, though, is that they tried to prove this scientifically (and alchemy, astrology, and magic were scientific disciplines going back to the ancients). You’d think Davis and Mirus (even Kingsnorth) would like this kind of thing. Being charitable, I would assume they probably don’t know about it.'

I always appreciate charity!

I studied Hermeticism myself back in my Wiccan days. The mythical Hermes is very much admired by the witches, of course. I read the Corpus, and indeed 'Meditations on the Tarot.' I loved my tarot cards back in the day. I got rid of them all when I became a Christian, as advised, and I don't regret it.

What's interesting to me about this discourse is how Western it is. You write yourself here about the difficulty, or impossibility, of finding 'mysticism' in the post-Vatican 2 Catholic church. This is essentially why I became Orthodox - well, that and the fact that I felt it was where I was led in prayer. You joke that 'Orthobros' would be horrified by the Hermeticist mosaic in the Sienna Cathedral. Actually I think it would make them smirk. That's a Catholic mosaic, after all.

Much of this search for so-called 're-enchantment' in the West is a search for something that was once probably here but seems to have fled. Where is the Christianity of John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila and the author of the Cloud of Unknowing in the Christianity of the West today? Maybe it is hiding, but I couldn't find it. In the Orthodox Church, for all of its faults, this strain is still central. To say that is not to be an 'Orthobro' who wants a theological dog-fight. That's almost the opposite of the correct response.

I'm hoping that Orthodoxy can help return a genuine Christian mysticism to a parched West, so that we don't need to turn to tarot cards or the Kabbalah for what we are stumblingly seeking. We'll see, I suppose.

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Elvengast's avatar

This is the result of christianity losing its 'totalitarian' position in the Western world. It now purity spirals because it has merely become an optional position among many, many others.

Badly understood, adherents now wonder why they would cater to the odd ducks, while their turf is perceived as being under attack. Why would this weirdo align with my personal optional position if he doesn't adhere exactly to every dogmatic proposition it states? "Aren't there other places you should be?" people wonder.

If it still were all-encompassing, it should cater to the odd balls, the weird, the marginal, the erratic, the eccentric, otherwise it wouldn't be all-encompassing. It no longer is all-encompassing. It has been repurposed as a scaffold and wall to protect 'the normal' against the deconstruction.

At the end of the day; the collapse of cosmology that took place in modernity has people clinging to any flotsam they can get a hold on to keep their head above water; politics, identity, rainbowflags, religion, popculture, some kinetic conflict far away. Whatever keeps them from getting washed away in the ocean of meaningless nihilism or total aporiatic chaos. Thus whatever their flotsam of chose is, it has become a lifeline to be defended at all cost. It can't be shared with the erratic, otherwise the flotsam will also turn out to be little more than dust.

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