I do not have the exact quote with me but Steiner did write about a vaccine which would cause people and children in particular to lose all religious belief. It would be odd if the Anthro bros were promoting the Covid shots. The pressure was immense though to go along and things got literally papers please Nazi where I live.
I've long felt Catholicism has more in common with paganism than it does with Protestantism. St Teresa was physically ravished by God; each Mass we do not nibble bread or sip wine in a merely symbolic act, we quite literally eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ. Growing up in a Catholic Croatian household, wedding receptions were things of wild drink-and-dance abandon. Which brings to mind that wonderful novel by Lord Dunsany, The Blessing of Pan, in which the Irish-Catholic writer expresses an infinity with Pan-worship over that with the good old C of E. Our God is indeed a Wild One (Iggy Pop version, please).
Well, I guess I’m a peasant-class Christian 🤣. Also, I appreciate you’re pointing out that our imagination is as dangerous and as safe as anything else in the world. Sanctify it and it becomes a beacon of light, truth and the glory of God, turn it towards the Self alone and it mirrors the dark impulses of rebellion against God. Happy Michaelmas, also my favorite festival during the year. 🗡️🐉✝️
A collection of pertinent comments made other places
“I agree, we really don’t have the records to really and thoroughly know what it was like day to day, week to week in the church in the first decades after Pentecost. But I do prefer to have my imagination thoroughly steeped in the New Testament. Like this “the Lord stood near Paul” and “because he is at my right hand” The imagination is a tool we use to connect with that wild unseen of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are recorded as being quite personally active in the NT, Jesus of Nazareth my totemic Lion and Lamb at my right hand, the Father before me, and the Life giving Holy Spirit within, with some show ups from angels and those in heaven (recall the appearance of Elijah and Moses at the Transfiguration?) Yep, your deceased mother could pay a visit. Or Mary, met her once, not a goddess figure, but a sister in the Lord.”
“When you examine the in action spirituality of the Bible - New and Old Testament - it is not philosophical in focus or especially liturgical and sacramental. Frankly it’s like a Native American with his totemic spirit animal contacted in a vision quest, a voodoo worshipper interacting with her gods. I once read the testimony of a Brazilian Voodo priestess who said, “I used to worship demons with the blood of goats and chickens, now I worship God with the blood of Jesus.”The classic creeds are about as far as you can go in philosophical interpretation without ending up in a Spiritless labyrinth of intellectual conceptualizations.”
“When you look at the actual spirituality of Jesus and the other persons in the New Testament record it was intensely personal and simple. Acts 23:11, Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. It comes across almost polytheistic with three dynamic personalities in action who are clearly not you. I was once told that if a gallon of water was like the Triune God all of it would be vapor, all of it liquid and all of it ice at the same time. A quantum physics superposition.”
Loved this. I was chasing something that resonates with all these reflections, about imaginal realities, and came across Alone with the Alone with Harold Bloom introduction. "Corbin begins with a kind of spiritual topography of the twelfth century, emphasizing the differences between exoteric and esoteric forms of Islam. He also relates Islamic mysticism to mystical thought in the West. The remainder of the book is devoted to two complementary essays: on "Sympathy and Theosophy" and "Creative Imagination and Creative Prayer." A section of notes and appendices includes original translations of numerous Su fi treatises"
A perfect day for Christian thought such as yours too, as the demonic is trying to chew its own foot off in zillions of places like a many limbed satanic rabbit caught in a trap (like Ghostbusters lol) today. Christ as taproot and wellspring of all was just pulsed to the globe. So bring on the Christian imagination reflections!
This slightly off topic but I really like a lot of Steiner and his Waldorf School methods. I have only attended the local Waldorf School fair regularly which is a lot of fun. Being a Steiner nerd for a while I read and listened to a lot of his work. I can see how the local school picks and chooses which parts of Steiner they implement. My point is that there is a fine line which when you cross it, you lose the spirit of the Waldorf School and Steiner. Not being counter cultural is one of those lines, in my opinion. It probably varies from place to place how this can happen. The imaginative atmosphere was what I most appreciated from my limited exposure to Steiner.
I do not have the exact quote with me but Steiner did write about a vaccine which would cause people and children in particular to lose all religious belief. It would be odd if the Anthro bros were promoting the Covid shots. The pressure was immense though to go along and things got literally papers please Nazi where I live.
I've long felt Catholicism has more in common with paganism than it does with Protestantism. St Teresa was physically ravished by God; each Mass we do not nibble bread or sip wine in a merely symbolic act, we quite literally eat the flesh and drink the blood of Christ. Growing up in a Catholic Croatian household, wedding receptions were things of wild drink-and-dance abandon. Which brings to mind that wonderful novel by Lord Dunsany, The Blessing of Pan, in which the Irish-Catholic writer expresses an infinity with Pan-worship over that with the good old C of E. Our God is indeed a Wild One (Iggy Pop version, please).
Well, I guess I’m a peasant-class Christian 🤣. Also, I appreciate you’re pointing out that our imagination is as dangerous and as safe as anything else in the world. Sanctify it and it becomes a beacon of light, truth and the glory of God, turn it towards the Self alone and it mirrors the dark impulses of rebellion against God. Happy Michaelmas, also my favorite festival during the year. 🗡️🐉✝️
And thanks for the transcript as I prefer to read than to listen.
A collection of pertinent comments made other places
“I agree, we really don’t have the records to really and thoroughly know what it was like day to day, week to week in the church in the first decades after Pentecost. But I do prefer to have my imagination thoroughly steeped in the New Testament. Like this “the Lord stood near Paul” and “because he is at my right hand” The imagination is a tool we use to connect with that wild unseen of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are recorded as being quite personally active in the NT, Jesus of Nazareth my totemic Lion and Lamb at my right hand, the Father before me, and the Life giving Holy Spirit within, with some show ups from angels and those in heaven (recall the appearance of Elijah and Moses at the Transfiguration?) Yep, your deceased mother could pay a visit. Or Mary, met her once, not a goddess figure, but a sister in the Lord.”
“When you examine the in action spirituality of the Bible - New and Old Testament - it is not philosophical in focus or especially liturgical and sacramental. Frankly it’s like a Native American with his totemic spirit animal contacted in a vision quest, a voodoo worshipper interacting with her gods. I once read the testimony of a Brazilian Voodo priestess who said, “I used to worship demons with the blood of goats and chickens, now I worship God with the blood of Jesus.”The classic creeds are about as far as you can go in philosophical interpretation without ending up in a Spiritless labyrinth of intellectual conceptualizations.”
“When you look at the actual spirituality of Jesus and the other persons in the New Testament record it was intensely personal and simple. Acts 23:11, Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. It comes across almost polytheistic with three dynamic personalities in action who are clearly not you. I was once told that if a gallon of water was like the Triune God all of it would be vapor, all of it liquid and all of it ice at the same time. A quantum physics superposition.”
Loved this. I was chasing something that resonates with all these reflections, about imaginal realities, and came across Alone with the Alone with Harold Bloom introduction. "Corbin begins with a kind of spiritual topography of the twelfth century, emphasizing the differences between exoteric and esoteric forms of Islam. He also relates Islamic mysticism to mystical thought in the West. The remainder of the book is devoted to two complementary essays: on "Sympathy and Theosophy" and "Creative Imagination and Creative Prayer." A section of notes and appendices includes original translations of numerous Su fi treatises"
A perfect day for Christian thought such as yours too, as the demonic is trying to chew its own foot off in zillions of places like a many limbed satanic rabbit caught in a trap (like Ghostbusters lol) today. Christ as taproot and wellspring of all was just pulsed to the globe. So bring on the Christian imagination reflections!
I would love for you to come to our Michaelmas festival next Sunday
This slightly off topic but I really like a lot of Steiner and his Waldorf School methods. I have only attended the local Waldorf School fair regularly which is a lot of fun. Being a Steiner nerd for a while I read and listened to a lot of his work. I can see how the local school picks and chooses which parts of Steiner they implement. My point is that there is a fine line which when you cross it, you lose the spirit of the Waldorf School and Steiner. Not being counter cultural is one of those lines, in my opinion. It probably varies from place to place how this can happen. The imaginative atmosphere was what I most appreciated from my limited exposure to Steiner.
Great reflections!
Thanks!
Love you Michael
Love you, too!
Your timing is always spot on with what I’m wresting with.
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